La non intégration des IDE Eclipse et NetBeans sur Linux Mint

[obamebernis12]

Qu'est-ce qui fait que linuxmint n'arrive pas à finaliser la vérification de l'IDE Netbeans et Eclipse?
Pourtant, les autres distributions l'intègre très bien en toute sécurité pour nous permettre de bien travailler notre projet, le compiler et l'exécuté après compilation dans le même environnement système. Depuis la sortie de LinuxMint 22 ces IDE sont non vérifiés pourquoi? Nous avons besoin de rester sur Mint et les utilisés comme sur les autre distributions notamment Ubuntu, Manjaro, OpenSuse et Fedora. Merci

[Fantu]

It's not clear what you mean, maybe you mean that these flatpak apps are not verified and not showed by default? if that's what was wanted and it was explained on the mint blog:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4719
and is possible to find that with a fast search, for example one of the first result: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Mint-Unverified-Flatpaks
I suggest to read the first url of the blog

[obamebernis12]

Le problème est que ces paquets non vérifiés fonctionnent mais après avoir finis de travailler un projet dans ces applications, c'est à dire IDE Eclipse ou Netbeans en compilant le projet pour devenir un fichier Jar, eh bien il ne s'exécute pas. Voilà le problème car c'est question de sécurité du système. Alors quand je vais sur un autre systeme donc Opensuse, je compile le projet puis j'execute le fichier Jar, ça passe bien. Le comble dans tout ça est que ce même fichier Jar compiler sur opensuse, s'execute très bien sur linuxmint. Pourquoi ça? Linuxmint se doit de finir la vérification des IDE surtout Netbeans et Eclipse afin de bien achever le projet sur ce système comme les autres systèmes...

[Fantu]

So the problem is different, and I couldn't tell from your first message.
I don't use those IDEs, nor do I program in Java, so I can only speculate.
Perhaps with those other distros, you use those programs from system packages and have no problems, while on Mint, using them with flatpak causes problems when trying to use system Java.
Flatpak and Snap often have problems when using hardware or other system resources; Snap is even worse than the two.
Anyway, this remains my guess.
Unfortunately, those two programs aren't in the official repos. Eclipse was in Debian and I tried it but they removed it years ago and I don't think there are any unofficial repos. NetBeans has an unofficial deb package but it's not specific to the distro so it might have problems.
https://wiki.debian.org/Netbeans#Via_the_official_deb_package
https://wiki.debian.org/Eclipse
Otherwise I think they have to be installed without packages (not optimal).
Or you can debug to find the exact cause of the problem, so maybe you solve it by continuing to use from flatpak.

[obamebernis12]

Vraiment merci pour votre réaction mais je suis déçu de Mint dans ce côté comment ces distributions peuvent nous faire oublier windows si ce genre de situation persiste. Je comprend pourquoi Ubuntu intègre ces IDE car c'est très utilisé en programmation Java.

[Fantu]

First of all, you need to understand what the real cause of your issue is, and 99.9% it's not Mint's issue.
Furthermore, Mint can't technically optimally support, test, and debug every program, even just installable ones (like these 2 that are not in th repository). It could be good if it had the resources for at least the development and optimal support of the essentials things, but I imagine it would require at least tens of millions of euros in donations at month and/or thousands of regular contributors who are experienced developers (not inexperienced ones relying solely on AI).
Instead, look at the donations they currently receive, from the previous month article:

Donations in April:
A total of $18,746 were raised thanks to the generous contributions of 687 donors

With that kind of money, could you create a Linux distro that works perfectly and supports any external program without any problems?

[obamebernis12]

Les bugs existent toujours même sur windows. Mais nous nous disons que Mint pouvait profiter d'ubuntu pour permettre a ce que les IDE Eclipse et Netbeans puissent être bien intégrés pour ne plus amener a se plaindre comme aujourd'hui. Voilà Anduios linux qui vient de sortir basé sur ubuntu 24.04 lts comme Mint, integres très bien tous les IDE d'Ubuntu tout comme Zorinos aussi. Mint doit aussi revoir sa position quelque fois. Je parle de Mint basé sur ubuntu. C'est la plus utilisée. Je ne peux pas exécuter mon projet java travailler sur Mint avec l'IDE Netbeans pourquoi parce que Mint ne veut pas intégrer ces IDES comment faire dans ce cas de figure si on doit livrer ce projet qui ne s'exécute pas après compilation?

[Fantu]

There are two separate things being mixed together here, and it helps to pull them apart.

First, on integration. There is no native Eclipse or NetBeans package in the Ubuntu repositories. Eclipse was removed from Debian/Ubuntu back in 2018, and NetBeans is not officially packaged there either. So there is no Ubuntu official deb package for it and derivates to reuse, it simply does not exist. AnduinOS is not doing more here either: by default it ships neither Flatpak nor Snap, you have to add them yourself. The only real difference from Mint is that Mint disables unverified Flatpaks by default, while Zorin and Ubuntu expose Snap and Flatpak freely. That is a software-store policy choice, not technical integration. None of these distributions does anything special with these IDEs.

Second, and this is the actual issue: your problem is not installing the IDE, which works and compiles fine. The problem is that the jar does not run. That has nothing to do with Mint or with IDE integration, and your own tests prove it. The jar compiled on openSUSE runs on Mint. If Mint "refused" these IDEs, no jar would run at all. Mint's Java runtime clearly works, so the variable is which JDK is used to compile.
The most likely explanation: the NetBeans Flatpak bundles its own JDK, often newer than the system Java. Your jar then gets compiled to a bytecode version that is too new for the Java runtime that executes it, so it fails to start. On openSUSE, Eclipse is a system package that uses the system JDK, so everything stays consistent, which is exactly why the jar built there runs everywhere.
To ship your project right now on Mint, without waiting for anything:

In the NetBeans project properties, set the Source/Binary Format (or maven.compiler.release with Maven, targetCompatibility with Gradle) to a version equal to or lower than the JDK that will run the jar.
Or install the official NetBeans .deb (provided by Codelerity/Apache) in the JDK-less variant, together with a system JDK, so compilation and execution use the same Java.

Anyway, to recap, you need to understand the problem and find the cause and try to solve it, since the most probable things that can be assumed from the little vague information seem to be just errors of an inexperienced developer and not bugs.